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Re: lsl streaming?

Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 1:28 pm
by Peter Gamma
Thank you, James Clutterbuck, for all the technical details you gave about the Muse headband here:

https://mind-monitor.com/forums/viewtop ... ring#p1227

and here

https://mind-monitor.com/forums/viewtop ... 1194#p1194

and here

https://mind-monitor.com/forums/viewtop ... 2&start=10

and here

https://mind-monitor.com/forums/viewtop ... f=15&t=840

Muse SDK not freely available anymore, pairing problems, differences between Muse headband models, problems with old batteries, etc. This was really helpful to resolve the Muse headband LSL misery.

Re: lsl streaming?

Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 9:56 am
by Peter Gamma
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My personal conclusion to get a Muse headband with LSL (LSL made easy):

1. Buy a MU-01 - Muse - Released 2014 – Bluetooth

2. If the battery is dead, replace it.

3. Get the Muse SDK from wherever you can get it

4. Use this example with Matlab from the Labstreaminglayer documentation:

https://labstreaminglayer.readthedocs.i ... _muse.html

Re: lsl streaming?

Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 12:33 pm
by Peter Gamma
I overlooked the Muse LSL from Alexandre Barachant:

https://github.com/alexandrebarachant/muse-lsl

A Python package for streaming, visualizing, and recording EEG data wich is compatible to:

MU-02 - Muse - Released 2016 - Bluetooth LE.
MU-03 - Muse 2 - Released 2018 - Bluetooth LE.

Re: lsl streaming?

Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:46 pm
by Peter Gamma
When I first looked at Alexandre Barachants GITHUB, and saw the picture of a cat on it, I was not sure about Alexandre Barachants Muse LSL Python package.

When I looked closer, I saw that Alexandre Barachant is a Research Scientist at the CTRL-Labs in New York, with a PhD in Signal Processing who published many papers with 1153 Citations :

https://scholar.google.com/citations?us ... AAAJ&hl=en

And it is possible to write issues at Alexandre Barachants Muse LSL Python package:

https://github.com/alexandrebarachant/muse-lsl/issues,

15 are open and 67 are closed.

Now, my doubts about Alexandre Barachants GITHUB with the picture from a cat are gone :).

Re: lsl streaming?

Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:52 am
by Peter Gamma
I discussed the subject with Alexandre Barachant. Alexandre Barachant is currently fine with the picture from the cat. His Muse LSL is a personal project that he carries on in his free time and he does not have any official and financial support from any company. It is his personal github account and he does it for fun.

Thank you, Alexandre Barachant for the Muse LSL.

Re: lsl streaming?

Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:04 pm
by Peter Gamma
The issue with the Labstreaminglayer documentation for the InteraXon Muse at the SCCN GITHUB is closed:

https://github.com/sccn/labstreaminglayer/issues/44

I publish here the full answer Alexandre Barachant gave to me. It contains information adressed to anybody who is interested in the LSL Interface of the Muse headband. Thank you Alexandre Barachant and Dano Morrison for your comittement.

Hi Peter,

Thanks for the feedback, this is always helpful and appreciated.

I agree that my profile picture can be off putting and don't look very professional. On the other hand, this is exactly what it looks like: a personal profile. All the project hosted on my GitHub are personal projects that I carry on my free time and don't have any official and financial support from any company.

Nowaday it's really easy to make a project looks very professional, with a nice logo and website, documentations, etc. The downside is that it confuse people about the level of support they can expect from a particular project. 99% of open sources projects are here because of a single dedicated maintainer working its night and week end to provide code and support, just for the beauty of it.
The muse-lsl package is based on a reverse engineering hack of the bluetooth protocol I did a few years ago. It solve a personal problem i had about accessing the raw data. I put it out there, and try to maintain it the best i can, with the help of my friend dano morrison. but we dont necessarily wish to become the official way to access muse raw data, this is a job for interaxon and apparently they don't want to do it.

So in essence, yes I thought about changing my profile picture for something less personal, but i'm currently fine with it because it carry the message i'm looking for, i.e. this is my personal github account and i do it for fun.

Best,
Alex

Re: lsl streaming?

Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2020 1:45 am
by Peter Gamma
Thank you, James Clutterbuck for your detailed names for the different Muse headbands, and the information about what are the differnces between these 3 types:

MU-01 - Muse - Released 2014
MU-02 - Muse - Released 2016
MU-03 - Muse 2 - Released 2018

This was very helpful to get rid of much of the confusion about LSL and the Muse headband.

Re: lsl streaming?

Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:32 pm
by Peter Gamma
LSL support for a small group of selected people by Interaxon and lab streaming layer for:

MU-01 - Muse - Released 2014

LSL support for :

MU-02 - Muse - Released 2016 and MU-03 - Muse 2 - Released 2018

by two comitted persons (Alexandre Barachant and Dano Morrison) which don't have any official and financial support from any company and do it for fun and in their free time is also fine.

But would it not be the best solution to have LSL support of the Mind Monitor which is equal for all three model types (and all people), with a professional support and a forum?

Re: lsl streaming?

Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2020 3:26 am
by Peter Gamma
"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others"

Quote from Animal Farm, by George Orwell

Mind monitor, one solution for all animals.

Re: lsl streaming?

Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2020 7:12 am
by Peter Gamma
Not only for big shots.